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 Post subject: Re: New Northern Dream SOLD OUT
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:27 pm 
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Hurry! this offer ends soon! you can only buy it here! sadly, this is why people are sharing illegally. like creating a false shortage, driving up the reaction time quickly until someone finds a way around it. a little unfair to the disc buying public, since only the "leftovers" were sold via SOS. here's the line between management & mis-management. and why is there no vinyl available? surely there's a connected Bill Nelson fan out there, who could help with that. art & commerce can work together, right?


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 Post subject: Re: New Northern Dream SOLD OUT
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:38 pm 
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p.s. i've read a lot of Bill's business explanations, over the years. not understanding the process,crooked managers,royalties, etc. is there a way out of that box? for example, all of the f-book "friends" - what are they doing to help? not an ounce of initiative, just "friending" in action (point & click,class!). sorry if i seem to be ranting. seems a waste to only have 500 discs and end it there. i don't have a solution. do you?


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 Post subject: Re: New Northern Dream SOLD OUT
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:39 pm 
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tom fritz wrote:
a little unfair to the disc buying public, since only the "leftovers" were sold via SOS. here's the line between management & mis-management. and why is there no vinyl available?


You know, I just can't win with this. If I press up more, they just sit on the shelves of the warehouse unsold while people still avail themselves of illicit copies from torrent sites.As I've explained, we have between 250 and 350 unsold copies of many albums that came out several years ago when I pressed larger quantities...and these remain unsold today, despite them being offered at a sale price of £5.

The much anticipated album I made with Bowie and Cure guitarist Reeves Gabrels was pressed in an edition of, (if I remember correctly,) 1,500 copies...and most of them are still awaiting customers, long after its release. 'Plectrajet,' another album which people had expressed excitement about getting their hands on was pressed in a relatively modest run of 750 copies...we were sure they would sell quickly but, no...500 and a bit was all that we sold, the rest are gathering dust in the warehouse.

If the demand isn't there to press larger runs, due to whatever reason, (piracy, torrent sites, disinterest, whatever,) I can't keep filling up shelves with product that isn't going to sell. So I have to cut my cloth accordingly.

Inevitably a few people will miss out if they don't get an order in quickly, but it isn't as if there are another 250 people missing out, or 1000. And, to try to help those that didn't get 'New Northern Dream' I've leapfrogged it over many out-of-print albums lined up for re-issue and am issuing NND as a high-quality Bandcamp download next week. That's all I can do.

As for vinyl, that's a non-starter...not enough fans want a vinyl release. (We ran a survey about this a while ago,) and the cost of doing a vinyl run is going to make the retail price too high for some fans and there's the added cost of mailing something that size out from Sound-On-Sound.

As for 'management,' I don't have a manager, nor do I require one. This works just fine as a small cottage industry. I'm not looking for fame and fortune, just the continuation of my career on a modest level, just enough sales to keep me in work as a musician.


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 Post subject: Re: New Northern Dream SOLD OUT
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:54 pm 
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i do not mean to be negative. i do apologize for my nagging tone. of course, my comments are not aimed at Bill. only i feel somewhat disappointed with the parameters set at this point. i guess that's my problem.

on another topic, here in the US there's a company that burns CD copies of live shows (in real time) & you can buy one as you leave the show. not really sure how that relates to the state of things at Bill/SOS world. maybe there's a little bit of hope there?


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 Post subject: Re: New Northern Dream SOLD OUT
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:57 pm 
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I have purchased music from other artists websites and I have noticed a bit of a pattern. If you are purchasing the CD early in its release date, you receive the CD AND the digital download as a pair. Later on, only the digital download is available from that artists website. This seems consistent, avoiding producing a surfeit of discs only to gather dust on a warehouse shelf. A pretty prudent sales model imo.


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 Post subject: Re: New Northern Dream SOLD OUT
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:13 pm 
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I think, through the years, Bill has explained it every which way possible. I'm sure he would love to sell more albums, but as shone from the number of albums still available through Sound On Sound, it's just not happening. I, for one, am thrilled at the volume of fabulous music Bill brings to us. One thing I admire about Bill is not only does he make great music, but he is so patient with his fans. Thanks for that, Bill. :D

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 Post subject: Re: New Northern Dream SOLD OUT
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:44 pm 
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tom fritz wrote:
here in the US there's a company that burns CD copies of live shows (in real time) & you can buy one as you leave the show. not really sure how that relates to the state of things at Bill/SOS world. maybe there's a little bit of hope there?


Well, I guess I don't perform live so much these days. The 'New Northern Dream' launch party was the first time I'd given a live performance for three years. I think it was a great success and, despite my various hearing and diabetic related health issues, plus the heavy cold I had, (which I still haven't managed to shake off,) I enjoyed it far more than I expected to.

So I may attempt another performance along similar lines next year. The launch party format seems to work well for me. It takes up just one day and just one venue. (Though several weeks, nay, months, goes into its preparation.)

Touring, of course, is an entirely different matter...much more expensive to mount a tour, complicated by having to involve booking agents, promoters and long periods of hiring a crew, no matter how modest the production values. And, at the age of 68 with serious health issues, I'm not inclined to want to sit in the back of a van and stay in B+Bs every night I'm afraid. That's more of a younger man's scene. Been there, done that, as they say! :wink:

And, forgive me for being picky, but I don't want to compromise quality and my integrity by doing it badly or 'on the cheap.' It only takes one instance of letting standards slip to sour the thing you've built up over the years. Better not to do it rather than ruin it.

But, this long-winded explanation is simply to point out that 'burning a live performance to disc' and getting it in your hands at the end of a performance wouldn't add much to sustaining a living for me as I so rarely perform live. I'd also have to enter into a financial agreement with whatever company was used to burn the live disc and there would be no chance to vet the recording to see if it was up to scratch. I'm loath to put things out which I think are not really good enough to be heard. With the live disc thing, there's really no option.

You know, I've been a professional musician for well over 40 years now and have experienced all aspects of 'the business,' the dues paying, the highs, the lows, the rip-offs, the exploitation, the media hypes, and the daft fantasy/illusion of being considered a 'rock star' or guitar hero. It all amounts to a hill of beans alongside a very real, natural need to create music. It's, quite frankly, bullshit, window dressing, a coy 'come on', it's kids stuff, playground badge wearing. I'm only concerned with expressing myself through music...full stop. The rest shouldn't concern a musician in the prime of his years. If any fame or fortune follows, fine, but I don't set store by it...it's ultimately meaningless.

The reason I'm still here today, putting out new albums, making new music, is because I'm fully committed to being an artist, a hopefully benevolent presence in the face of an increasingly dumbed down and commercialised music scene. If my contribution makes any sense in view of that, I'm happy and proud.


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 Post subject: Re: New Northern Dream SOLD OUT
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I am proud too Bill as having you as a mentor for over 40 years. Among us, I am sure there are musicians that you inspired deeply and still do. At the age of 55, you can still raise the hair on my arms, and make me plug in and record. Even if it's just for fun and entertainment now. Thanks for your honesty and creativity.

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 Post subject: Re: New Northern Dream SOLD OUT
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MondoJohnny wrote:
I am so happy about the download being moved up!


Act fast, Mondo. Remember the Bandcamp download is limited to 250 copies only! :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: New Northern Dream SOLD OUT
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Just some thoughts about pressing quantities.

I have missed out on a few for various reasons and I missed New Northern Dream. I can think of 3 ways to try and solve this issue

1. Press 520, I realise that even with these some people may miss out, but I wonder how many people do miss a release, clearly not 100's else the discs on the shelves would be gone

2. when a release is imminent get people to pre-order and base the pressing on that

3. similar to 2, have a subscription service. I expect there are many fans, like me who buy every release. I would be happy to commit to all releases, then I can relax and when I get a new release email , just pop on SOS and pay for my copy. The Grateful Dead operate this model for their (never ending) release of limited edition concert discs.

In any case +1 for bandcamp version of NND


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